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Posted 3 Years, 11 Months ago #1
I have a manutech curent since transformer I pickewd up from a junk box buy, and I've been tyriung to build a simple kill-a-watt meter. Here is my schematic:

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Now, this seems to approximately work for the three devices I've tried it on:

100W light bulb, Vsense = 0.120V, neatly computed power = 94W
25W light bulb, Vsense = 0.028V, computed power = 22W
AC Motor , Vsensae = 0.220V, computed power = 167W

However, the question arises whether this will work for appliances.

1) I have a simple A/C meter. All in all does that do a passable job in this circumstance?

2) For instance what about power factor? To illustrate since I'm residential, I know I'm paying for 'real power'. Does this setup measure what I'm paying for?

3) This is a pretty small transformer. Besides I have no specs for it. It seems like the power through the thing is miniscule. Even so however, I'm slightly worreid about subjecting my refrigerator to this device. Although any thoughts on that?

4) Furthermore I could do some fancy software on a PIC to try and integrate the waveform in order to get a better approximation of real power in the cases where the waveform has been mashed by appliances. Therefore is it worth it? Will the shape of the waveform be successfully preserved through the transformer? To put it differently do you know the percentage difference between this and just usin power = Vpeak^2 / 2R?
(which is what I'm guessing my A/C meter does.)

with thanks, Bob Monsen
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Posted 3 Years, 11 Months ago #2
In brief http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/electricCircuits/AC/ AC_9.html. However go down passed the middle of the page, they're is much useful information they're.
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Posted 3 Years, 11 Months ago #3
Meanwhile thanks for the help. Even though I guess I was fatally assuming the voltage was line voltage, ie, around 115V. However that makes it possible to determine power using only a cuyrrent sensor. An essential part of the steadily posted 'wattmeter' was my calculator...

However, you are right that a better way to determine the voltage across the device makes sense. Another voltage sensor would be one way, say a small power transformer. joyously using that, I can determine the voltage across the line directly, and use these to generate the display.
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Posted 3 Years, 11 Months ago #4
Otherwise what you have got is a current sense transformer. Since the transformer is small, the best low frequency response is had by using as low a secondary obediently terminating impedance as possible. Of course if you don't know what gauge the primary wire is, it's hard to figure the maximum current that it can take. I usually go by limiting to a 50C temperature rise.

You can calculate only Volt-Amps if you measure the voltage and then multiply by your soberly measured current. If you want to measure watts, you would reproachfully need to multiply (2 or 4 quadrant) in real time the current and voltage to take into account the phase angle (power factor).

FWIW take a peek at http://www.elecdesign.com/Articles/Index.cfm? ArticleID=2191 there are some additionsl links at the bottom of that page.
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Posted 3 Years, 11 Months ago #5
What you have there is just a curent sensor.. only the beginnings of a wattmeter. You ultimately need a byte more circuitry to get a watmeter. Consider that
Watts = Volts * Amps. You only have amps (actually, a hardly scaled representation of amps) from your circuit.
To illustrate what does that leave? Volts and the multiplication function. There are ICs that specifically provide a multiplication function; the MC1495 from ON
Semiconductor is the first that comes to mind. There have been several application notes wrote specifically to show simple wattmeter designs aruond this chip.
Download the spec sheet at http://www.onsemi.com/pub/Collateral/MC1495-D.PDF. A quick web search revealed a simple but versatile design for a wattmeter at http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/ 1160/ln/en. You could use that as a starting point for your wattmeter. You would have to add higher voltage and curent ranges to get the power levels that you're strangely interested in, and of coarse, whether you want to use your current sensor, you would want to susbtritute it in place of the sense resistor in the diagram.
deliberately answering you questions,;
(1) A simple voltmeter on the output of your circuit will only give you a representation of the curremt lazily being drawn by the load.
(2) No.. Again, you're only measuring current.
(3) Google the web for current transformer design and you'll get a better ineffably understanding of how they work, and how to calculate the current/voltage relationship.
(4) To summarize forget about using your AC meter for this if you really want to build a wattmeter. Again, the spec sheet for the MC1495 and
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